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Phaern Majes · Sep 07, 2008, 01:48 AM // 01:48

I'll admit they were fun and the huge guild battle: jade knights vs am fah was awesome. But I disagree with it being hard, at least on normal mode. I pugged all three quests on first try and had only one monk. These bosses were pretty much only anti melee. Being the only melee, I was the only one the monk really had to heal. Everyone else just stood at the edge of the aggro radar and spammed skills/spells.

Definitely fun though, and their massive health total would probably make it more of a challenge on hard mode. Getting hit in normal by some of the skills took 3/4 of my health so I imagine in hard mode they would one shot me. Though those massive damage skills were completely avoidable I just opted to take the damage so the monk wouldn't get bored, and the golems wouldn't move

Taixen · Sep 07, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

I haven't given the missions a try yet, but after reading through this thread look forwards to giving these quests a try tomorrow.

Although it may not be any more difficult to the players who have been playing since the release of the game, from what I have read it'll certainly be challenging for the average player

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Bryant Again · Sep 07, 2008, 03:40 AM // 03:40

While the quests were fun, there's something I'd like to say about the bosses included, and similar bosses in general.

Bosses like NOX and other big bosses dealing massive damage with lots of health don't really work in a game like Guild Wars. This can easily be seen not only in NOX (as Shadowbanex said with Daze) but in numerous other bosses: some can be easily shut down with a blind, others by simply eliminating the stances with a very easy spammable attack (Shiro) and others just by easily interrupting a certain and devastating skill.

If you want bosses to be more challenging and fun, they can't feel like normal mobs that just take forever to kill. They have to be played against and beaten with different mechanics besides setting up a build, such as having to move from a certain area on the map or avoiding a huge radius of fire that is occasionally spewed from the bosses' mouth then you need to keep running from.

And no, this isn't "just like WoW". This is how bosses have been designed way back since the Mario days. That's why they were fun: Not because they were a harder version of your average baddie or that they took an additional two stomps to kill, but because they had to be beaten in an entirely different way - and that was fun (well only if you did it right, otherwise it was just frustrating).

So ANet. Please make your boss fights actual boss fights, and not an extended mob fight.

Everything else was awesome, though : P

Phaern Majes · Sep 07, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

And no, this isn't "just like WoW". This is how bosses have been designed way back since the Mario days. That's why they were fun: Not because they were a harder version of your average baddie or that they took an additional two stomps to kill, but because they had to be beaten in an entirely different way - and that was fun (well only if you did it right, otherwise it was just frustrating).

So ANet. Please make your boss fights actual boss fights, and not an extended mob fight.

Everything else was awesome, though : P

Agreed, this is one of the reasons I like the Abaddon fight. You have to take out the monolith guys, then that brings the head down and you have to do as much damage as you can. Only to get out of the way of the daze/kd lightning like effect and dodging the hand attacks best you can. Just alot more to it.

Though I think these bosses were a step in the right direction they had some skills that if you watched for them you could avoid the damage by getting far enough away. Not perfect but better than most in my opinion.

LiviDevil · Sep 07, 2008, 06:58 AM // 06:58

+1 to all positive responses, the large HP amount, imho, serves the purpose of allowing the bosses to enter different phases and not get nuked out in 10 seconds. (Primarily NOX) The jade brotherhood vs Am Fah was fantastic. Any new content is welcome, new items > new titles ^_^. TY ANET <3

Bryant Again · Sep 07, 2008, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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Originally Posted by LiviDevil

+1 to all positive responses, the large HP amount, imho, serves the purpose of allowing the bosses to enter different phases and not get nuked out in 10 seconds. (Primarily NOX)

The only problem is that that's the *only* thing it does. All the large HP does is draw out the fight with very little variation. It would actually probably be harder if things happened with the boss sooner, since energy wouldn't have all that gain from regen. And again, he can still *very easily* be shut down. Actual *bosses* shouldn't be able to have that done to them. It will always be a boring fight if you give them an Achilles's Hell.

Azza · Sep 07, 2008, 07:24 AM // 07:24

Wow i found these quest really easy to just hero/hench even in ToA, they weren hard, but they werent walk overs either, and new missions and what not, WTF GW2 is out soon

zwei2stein · Sep 07, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

I liked how each mission really felt and played differently:

POX mission because of Jade brotherhood disguise and being allied with them. Plus first time it really felt like you are storming fortress (i guess that was quite unintentional).
ROX mission with adjustable boosts, and optional sub-goal of defending their source from golem overload.
NOX with phases and distractions and Bocca.

They still had some flaws, NOX one, which is basically "bring interrupts or die" and where you have to save NPC that loves to get stuck behind spawning foes.

With BHA not only you can C-space AFK fight, you can literally turn off computer, power it on in five minutes and reconnect to be presented with defeated boss.

Operative 14 · Sep 07, 2008, 08:11 AM // 08:11

After finishing them...

I love them. I think this was a worthy addition to GW, and shows me, at least, that GW1 still has quite a bit of life left in it. My only complaint was that it was a bit short. But the fights and the epic quality was certainly there. Dare I say, more present than in most other parts of the game.

Thanks Anet, I had a lot of fun.

Verek · Sep 07, 2008, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Although it may not be any more difficult to the players who have been playing since the release of the game, from what I have read it'll certainly be challenging for the average player .

Especially if someone didn't notice that you can take full team, so tried them with a 4 man team............can't imagine who did that

Must say though, that additional content, for free, can’t be bad.

So, as our American brethren say: "Good Job Anet."

MirkoTeran · Sep 07, 2008, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

I liked how each mission really felt and played differently

This.

I like the fact is wasn't just another generic "run there, kill that" thing. They actually put some effort in those quests and I thank them for it.

It would be great if they were repeatable (with 1/10 of quest reward [5k exp, 1k gold, 1 tonic, 1 summon], or possibly even less).

cthulhu reborn · Sep 07, 2008, 05:17 PM // 17:17

Well NOX has like 50k hit points and some skills needed to be interrupted like 5 times to stop them so it was something different.

The funniest part was the people out there shouting that it was impossible after I had just killed him with my 10th char (all 13 done now).

But to be entirely honest the best part about it was the 10k reward...although I will admit that it was kinda fun to do. So hey, well done, it kept me playing for 3 more days. ^^

MithranArkanere · Sep 07, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

I REALLY DO hope so.

REALLY.

kratimas · Sep 08, 2008, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by Bloodseeker

I disagree with OP i just played with the builds i always use with h/h and did the quests without any trouble, no different tactics or whatever required.

/Agree, I did the same H/H combo I always use and had no new tactics or anything. Missions were fast and easy.

Don't get me wrong I like new stuff, and am glad ANet continues to add new content to the game.

I just didn't see where the OP gets that these require tactics or are even remotely a challenge.

But, 2 thumbs up for New content keep it coming

Kyosuki · Sep 08, 2008, 01:44 PM // 13:44

The Canthan part was AMAZING.
The whole 'Street Gang Wars" them,althought I would of wanted to be a Am Fah instead

And P.O.X "reactor blast",everybody in my team was like 'RUNNNN!!!"
Bring more of those,GG Anet

Avarre · Sep 08, 2008, 01:51 PM // 13:51

I'm a cynical old man.

But the Jade Brotherhood/Am Fah part was kinda fun. Anet should have done more of bringing NPC guilds into the game in that manner.

ValaOfTheFens · Sep 08, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

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Originally Posted by Avarre

But the Jade Brotherhood/Am Fah part was kinda fun. Anet should have done more of bringing NPC guilds into the game in that manner.

^^^^^^^^^this

It would have been cool to be able to get rep with the Am Fah or Jade Brotherhood. I'm a Necro, what do I care if I'm affiliated with a criminal organization?

draxynnic · Sep 08, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by SmithyBen

i approve of this thread! i also like how the falls was in the middle of nowhere and despite us knowing about it for 3 years there is actually a secret place under there.

Well, would YOU jump off that rock if you didn't know there was something good down there?

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Originally Posted by Robbert Monga

The storyline seems unfinished... Do we not get to kick the crap outta the bad guy who tricked Zinn? Awww... *sad panda*

Maybe later...

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

I really liked the quests and how the progressively got harder. Went into N.O.X. with one interrupt the night of it release and got beat. N.O.X. and another GOLEM pinned the prince guy on the steps so he never left and eventually got killed causing a loss but changed builds and went back. Was a lot of fun.

Had that happen to me too. After my elementalist and mesmer pretty much cakewalked him, my Warrior took multiple tries - and I think that happened on the second-last try.

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Originally Posted by zelgadissan

Canthan mission - easy
Tyrian mission - easy/medium, only because henchies aren't 20
Nightfall mission - medium/hard
Finding secret lair - would've been hard if I hadn't vanquished the location like two days earlier

I'd have agreed the first time, but the swarm of little golems is fairly easy to keep under control when you know what's going on (and when you put all the priests on one or two shrines that are easily defended and close enough to Salma to defend her as well - I found Grenth, Lyssa and Balthazar to be the best choices). POX at least continues to keep me... well, a little concerned, anyway, while ROX is basically just a big Warrior boss at heart.

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N.O.X. would be something I'd have to think over more than the other two.

Noxious? Plus the Latin for night thing - both of which lead to a necromancer build.

Or it could be obnoxious, which would clearly be a Mesmer...

tmr819 · Sep 08, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

I have only done the NOX quest thus far, but I had a great time with it and have no complaints. I did not much care for the BMP (too scripted, imo), but this new material seems quite fun to play through.

I appreciate very much the way ANet has added new content that allows us to use our own characters.

Nessar · Sep 08, 2008, 03:42 PM // 15:42

I loved the quests

Gj Anet ^^